Lets say if Phil lost his money - would casino return it back to him? Absolutely not! Casino having a lot of money from unprofessional players, and this is considering a very good deal! However, when a smart man beat them up - it is not good at all! They don't want to pay him! OUTRAGES!
he did nothing wrong. how about the casino pumping u full of drinks there is the advantage for them. can we as the public go after them. no, so this man took advantage of a flaw. fair game. i remember when A,C,used to get an old Philly Eagles owner sauced of his mind and clean his clock on a regular He sued and won
Phil iveys face man ! I'd never want to play against this guy lmao he always looks like he knows something you don't lol the casinos gave him everything he requested he did nothing wrong casinos just got took n they know it lol
What cheating ? To be guessing the back by imperfection of cutting ? The people in casino should show the judge how they can do it and if they do they agreed for him to play with those cards..hope they gonna pays his time and lawyer fees for wasting his time to go to courts ..
Phil embarrassed the fucking house he is very intelligent and composed I salute u my brother, the casino will try to take you out at all cost so they got beat at their own game end of story pay the man! Hope to meet you one day will probably end up living in Vegas during the winter months. The Tiger Woods of poker hands down!
Honestly I dont think what he did was wrong he and the casino played a game with rules set before hand, and the Casino had no problem letting him play at any time they could have stopped the game and thrown him out but they didnt, and after he wins they dont want to pay him? Im sorry I think the casinos did him wrong and what the london casino did should be illegal, you cant not pay the man when he risked millions played the game you set up and beat you.
If I were a casino, I wouldn't sue him or even make an issue of it. It makes them look bad; it makes it seem as if someone were to win big, their win wouldn't be honored, and that a casino expects people to lose. Even though that's true, it shouldn't be obvious. I would just learn from my mistakes of giving in to such requests and move on.
Plain and simple, casino wan'ts there money. Going to court? HAHAHAHA what a joke
This casino probably held that judge and family at gun point, and said grant us our 12 million back or else your family dies.
When they get desperate, they will do ANYTHING to get there money back, even if it isn't done legally
If he requested they played with the cards face up and the casino agreed would that be considered cheating?
Of course not.
They agreed to play with specific cards to allow for this strategy, maybe they shouldn't do it again.
You grant him his requests thinking you'll take all his money (that he wired ahead of time) at the end of the day. The opposite happened so you now use the things you allowed him to do against him and call him a cheater?
Reminds me of a playmate of mine when I was a kid who kept changing the rules because he kept losing.
As a Baccarat dealer myself, there is still one thing that doesn't make sense, we are trained to cover the shoe with our hands so that the next card to be dealt is not visible to the players (thus not able to be edge counted). These "Asian" dealers he requested must have been in on it and not protected his/her shoe. I love this piece. I love Phil Ivey and I think it's ridiculous that he didn't get paid in London.
Oh yeah Mikey your right our former president did all sorts of thing to advance our social environment like one example would be Black Lives Matter. Why can 't all lives matter more white people are killed by police than other wise.
I don't look at card counting as cheating--although I have had a casino executive call it that. Here's another little casino trick...playing poker in Vegas. Seven card stud. Seven players. Guy at the end of the table is drinking a lot, smoking a fat cigar and making stupid bets for about an hour. Losing big time. He makes a big deal out of asking for and getting a marker for $5000.00. Suddenly he's not drunk any more and winning. I was sitting next to a pillar. On that pillar was a small brass plaque that said the house reserves the right to have a house player at the table. Now--the house doesn't have to tell you if they have one unless you ask. If you ask they have to tell you--but they don't have to tell you who it is. I asked the dealer and his eyes darted to the guy with the cigar. He said yes. Six players left the table. I'm pretty good--but I'll be damned if I'm going to go up against a professional poker player--especially one who's playing with the house's money.
This simple. The casino's agreed to all his requests and edge sorting is not illegal. Don't agree to all his requests. That simple. Hey, casino's win the vast majority of the time. Every once in a while, the casino loses.
A lil dirty but still none the less the casinos did it to them selves. So I say he should get ALL the money that is rightfully his and shame on the casinos for doing this to him unlawfully. He won it, its his...PAY the MAN !!
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The casinos provide the cards, and they cost $1 a pack...if they're too stupid or too cheap to pay for cards that can't be edge counted, too bad. The casinos won the case because they have more political power than a poker player.
All one has to do is hit an insane hot streak and the casino starts shitting itself. I've seen casino cowardice and casino cheating. Got on a crap table and was winning WAY BIG. Up about 15k. Just me. Others at the table too. They come over and lock in bet amounts. It was a $10 table. They raised it to a $50 table minimum bet. Then about 10 minutes later the guido pit stooge comes over and just closes the table. I got backed off a blackjack table for getting lucky. Sat there for two hours and would bet low and when it felt good BET BIG. They pulled me off table and told me that I cannot vary my bets. If my first bet is $10, every bet must be $10. FUCK OFF.
Come on. You don't let someone like Phil Ivey set the rules. You are going to lose. They knew he was going in with an advantage. Heck, you don't let someone like Phil Ivey play at your casino without an advantage. What were they thinking? It's like the other guy said. You don't let someone as talented at gambling as Phil Ivey play slot machines at your casino. They knew who he was, and they knew he was playing with an advantage that they granted. THEY gambled and THEY lost. Pay up fools.
I'm banned from 2 casinos in Atlantic city because of winning at blackjack. All I did was bet double if I lost. They saw this as card counting and physically removed me each time. I hadn't even won more than $1000 at each casino... They have the right to ban anyone for any reason. Phil deserves to get paid and if they want to they should just ban him. But he was not cheating, just being smart. Not a crime to be smart!
Neal, yep there are money management systems which work at least part of the time- most involve doubling up to cover all previous bets lost, some get a bit more complex. But if you don't hit the table limit very often, you can win a little. Problem is just what you said- they will ban you solely for winning, with no evidence at all of cheating.
Yup he did nothing illegal the casino allowed his request, they hire and pay millions to so called experts to look at those request to see if there could be any advantage but no they didn’t deny anything and he cooked their ass now pay the man his 20 million.
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